1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 The authority of the authority is on flying saucers or unidentified flying objects in 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:19,000 America. Here is Major Donald Keel. And over on this side this is Colonel J. Brian. Colonel 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Brian. Major Keel is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy inapolis. He's an aircraft and balloon pilot in the Marines. He works, lectures, 4 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:44,000 offers four books about UFOs. Is that right? That's correct. And you are currently the director of NECA. Like it. Like it. 5 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:51,000 Thank you. National Investigations Committee on Earth Phenomena. The National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena. 6 00:00:51,000 --> 00:01:00,000 My cap. Okay. Colonel Brian is a graduate of Princeton. A former special assistant to the secretary of the Air Force. Air Force. 7 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:06,000 What did I say? Air Force? I was in it for four years. Can you imagine that? I'm a miss penacelary. A distinguished magazine editor and writer. 8 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:13,000 And he's an editor of Italian country and Saturday evening post. So you know that these gentlemen are not just, 9 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:25,000 ah, and so are those over there. My cap. Ah, they're just rude. Ah, it's not that fine. These are distinguished gentlemen who really believe that there are such things as 10 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:34,000 extraterrestrial explorations of our time. That's correct. We agree with the Air Force. They have a top secret conclusion that these 11 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:41,000 thousands of our pics have been seen by pilots. In fact, the radar are real and they're superior to anything we have. So there's, 12 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:49,000 from somewhere, it's just for the head of us. You agree with that statement? They're completely. You agree with that? Always. Always. Always. 13 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:56,000 Why? Your charge of the Air Force has been suppressing information. Because apparently we're folding back facts about that. 14 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:05,000 That's right. They have an order, Air Force Regulation 200, which orders anyone in the Air Force to withhold information of this kid by head quarters. 15 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:15,000 We have information about, I'm a UFO. It was off when I was in 521. Yeah, I was a pilot in the Air Force for four years. It was part of three years. 16 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:28,000 That's all right. That's the right time. The right length of time. And I never heard anything about, I never heard anybody ever tell me about Spotted Self Mind. 17 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:36,000 I couldn't tell anybody about it. Well, what time was it? What year? I, if I had a training class, it was 57 hours. 18 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:45,000 I was in my wings in 1957. And I flew through 61. 60. Well, the order was in effect, but there wasn't probably a circular in Wendley. 19 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Oh. We had a copy of it, in the first few years. In Mr. Crane, you know, the producer has seen one. Do you know of it? 20 00:02:52,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Our producer has seen one? First of all, it's not my, I think you can tell my Mr. Norman Plunman. Our, my lifestyle. Yes? 21 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:17,000 Well, A is not my producer to give me a no. And B is a little weird. He is just a little bit funny. 22 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:29,000 You know, I mean, we're humor. I mean, we don't, as a matter of fact, if he's around. He may be coming out to get me. Or they may be coming to get him. 23 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Okay, we have, do we do the, we show the size first or do we have the commercial first? What's the plan? We have got pictures. 24 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:50,000 What do you mean? We have a commercial first. That's a letter. We have some pictures of some, you know, you figure it out. We've got some really strange pictures to show you in about a minute from right now. 25 00:03:50,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Okay, we're going to show you some slides, photos of the kind of aerial phenomena we're talking about. It's up to you, make up your own mind, other UFOs, kneecap suppliers, with them, kneecap. 26 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:14,000 I like kneecap better, you know that? That's a much, much catchier way of, you know, horror. And I think they'll show up pretty well on your TV. 27 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:28,000 So first, this is a picture taken May 11, 1950 by Paul Trenton, in McKinville, Oregon. It was examined and published by Life Magazine, and Life describes them as an unassuming, what it said, a negative appear to be untampered with. 28 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:37,000 Here's another picture taken by, here's another picture, here's another picture taken by Paul Trenton, the famous Paul Trenton in Oregon. 29 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:49,000 Okay, August 1951, the next page, I didn't even know those pictures, you know, like a slide shows, changes, like, okay, August 1951, the most famous American UFO sightings in Lubbock, Texas. 30 00:04:49,000 --> 00:05:02,000 The photo was taken by Carl Hart Jr. of a V-shaped light formation known as the Lubbock Lights. The Air Force said it was light reflected from a high flying bird. That's pretty weird. 31 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Okay, here's an official US Coast Guard photo taken by Shale Alford in the Salem, Massachusetts Coast Guard Station in 1952. 32 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:19,000 He watched bright lights in the sky, watched them for a few seconds more, called in another Coast Guard, and then took this picture. 33 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:33,000 In 1964, the Coast Guard added this note to their caption on the picture saying that no further information or explanation to add concerning this photograph, and no official opinion as to the identity or origin of the lights. 34 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Now here's a surprise, take a look at this. This photograph was published in the official Oregon of the Royal Air Force, the RAF Flying Review, which the magazine said seemed one of the few photographs of UFOs that does appear to be authentic. 35 00:05:50,000 --> 00:06:08,000 The photograph was taken in France in 1954, and it looks identical with a Paul Trent photo we already showed you taken thousands of miles away four years earlier. Let's go back and show you the Paul Trent picture. The one before that. 36 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:13,000 The one before. We can't do it. 37 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,000 All right. 38 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Now, here are a couple of pictures that were taken in 1957 over Fuji-Sawa in Japan. 39 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:33,000 The camera cap isn't very strong on these, right, major? You don't tell me. You feel that the most dubious of the samples that you've brought, we thought we'd include them anyway, just to put out the time. 40 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:43,000 There's a long-paced shot of a Japanese capsule sighting, and here's a close-up of it. That could be anything, you know that? 41 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:56,000 Okay. Back to our country, there's a photograph taken on the Pacific Coast near San Pedro, California on December 1957 by radio officer He Fogel aboard the British ship SS Ramsey. 42 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:13,000 And a series of pictures taken off Brazil, the Trinidad East Islands, as the unidentified flying object was in motion. These pictures were taken by a marine photographer on a Brazilian ship participating in the International Geophysical Year. 43 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,000 I can hardly see anything there. 44 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,000 Oh, I see up in the corner. Okay. 45 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Oh, look at those. There's a whole bunch of them. 46 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Oh, I'm looking at the clouds. I just thought it was hot. It's contagious. 47 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:41,000 Oh, that's enough, right? Oh, wait, there's one I do want to show you. Can you skip down to slide number 16? Can you cut through the chain to slide number 16? That's not it. 48 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:55,000 Okay, now this is interesting. An aircraft company that we cannot name took this picture as a promotion picture for the Zero Plan of B-57, but they never published it. 49 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:07,000 And the reason why they never published it is because in the upper right-hand corner, there is something that showed up on the print of the picture, which you can't see in this picture, which we'll show you right now. 50 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:13,000 This is a ball of the upper right-hand corner of that picture of the B-57 airplane. 51 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:25,000 And this picture was only recently submitted to NICAP, which estimates that it was taken between 1958 and 1960. Okay? That's enough. 52 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:37,000 I think this has more weight to it than all the photographs that you might show. This is official Air Force 2000 sketch based on 3,000 reports. 53 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:46,000 This described you as there was disc-shaped objects, apparently metallic, which can be removed to be in just 2,000 miles an hour. 54 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:54,000 And after circulating the secretaries of all Air Force intelligence sources, at the very same time the Air Force stated they had no idea what these things looked like. 55 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:01,000 Okay, and that not only proves the secrecy, but also that they have a very good idea of what these things are. 56 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Well, you know, I can tell you all I can reiterate again is that for the 4 years that I was in the Air Force, I had a secret clearance and all the rest of it, I remember. 57 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:19,000 But now I'm just saying, one thing you don't realize probably, this document here, the UFO aliens, is based on an 8-year investigation. 58 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:28,000 The Board of Governors and NICAP include Admiral, General, Colonel, Siders, Technicians, Pilots, over 200 experts in this field. 59 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Many of them are in the NICAP site. We've investigated over 5,000. At least a thousand of these represent airline pilots on every military airline, all the services in the United States, tar-operated, missile-tracked. 60 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:48,000 All of these people saw something and sometimes the radar tracking confirmed the visual. Professional astronomers, that's right. 61 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Professional astronomers? 62 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,000 Professional astronomers. That's very interesting. And I'll tell you why that's interesting and I'll admit it from right now. 63 00:09:55,000 --> 00:10:02,000 Okay, we've heard about UFOs or whatever they are and I'm going to be neutral for a minute or two more. However, you mentioned astronomers. 64 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:09,000 I think those astronomers have, you know, corroborated your sightings and your documented evidences. 65 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:16,000 I would like to introduce to you now, to our audience, Dr. I.M. Levitz. Dr. Levitz, can you come out here please? 66 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:30,000 I'm going to introduce you to a gentleman from here. All right, Dr. Levitz is the director, gentlemen, the director of the Thoreau's Planetarium in Philadelphia. 67 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Probably one of the most famous planetarium in Planetarium. Planetarium, but I'll do your, I'll hate you for this, you know that. 68 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:50,000 Well, my alien planetarium is a nice planetarium. I'm glad you heard about that. I heard it in you, Dr. and Dr. Levitz is the director of the Thoreau's Planetarium in Philadelphia, which is a most distinguished planetarium. 69 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:56,000 And what do you think about all the pictures you just saw and all the evidence in Major Keyhole's book UFO? 70 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Well, I haven't had very much chance to go through this book, but from what I have, there's some very striking examples of taking too much for granted. 71 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Astronomers have seen them in the book with us too. Clyde Tombaugh, Seymour Hess. Clyde Tombaugh did not say he saw a flying saucer. He said he saw something. 72 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Seymour Hess also said, I saw something. Now, no one is going to say to you that you do not see anything to us. 73 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:38,000 To do that is to say the 5,000 people or so who have contributed to this book, except for those who plant the different hooks as in there are those. 74 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Those people are suffering from hallucinations. You will not say that. They are seeing something that what they are saying is, 75 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:56,000 you describe precisely what you saw in great detail and the chances are we can tell you what this was, is the operation of a natural law. 76 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:06,000 The Air Force has done this with Project Blue Book and I think 97% of the sightings have been identified and have been explained as the operation of a natural law. 77 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:18,000 And of course the first thing, the people who foster find saucers and who would like to believe this may be extraterrestrial life will say, 78 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:29,000 well it is not the 97%, I'm thinking about it as a 3%. And my answer to that is it was 99.99 in 44 lines. 79 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Well it was 99.99, they would say it's that 101%, that's the bunch that we were talking about, not the others. 80 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:44,000 And so I'm going to be like this, you know, you cannot lose. You must say, these people are seeing something and the scientists will say, 81 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:51,000 tell us what you are seeing precisely. Well I mean, I think that's true because we do have a time problem doctor. 82 00:12:51,000 --> 00:13:01,000 In all your years of looking at pictures and most of astronomy today is studying photographs and while in my face studying the sky, 83 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:07,000 okay, and looking at the sky, looking as I just, and discussing astronomy and phenomenon with all of your colleagues, 84 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:19,000 have you ever in your entire career ever come across an incident that would need you to believe that there was an object manufactured on some other planet 85 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:26,000 and now in our world. It is not only that, I do know, I have never seen it, but I don't know of a single astronomer, 86 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:33,000 I live in those two and there must be several thousand in the country who have seen one and you must be called to these people 87 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:39,000 looking the sky every night. I do, I run in the observatory and I take several hundred people up the cage, 88 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,000 lay them out, find out constellations and if there should be a star there, it doesn't belong there. 89 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:49,000 I can tell you that there should be a star in the sky, but I can also tell you that there is a prominent one. 90 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:59,000 I have never seen a star in the sky, I don't know how it would happen, but should there be a gap where there should be a star? 91 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,000 The chances are I would know for another constellation very well. 92 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:08,000 I would like to say there are four more than two, three of you have certainly been acquainted with it. 93 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:17,000 I am only taking orders, isn't that a toilet please? You said that Dr. Hess did not say, so he, please have a report from him 94 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:22,000 and which he says he saw a powered disk. If you want to see a good blood shirt to you. 95 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:28,000 There was another planetarium up in Boston, they had a planetarium. One of their staff was from other web, 96 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,000 and the sighting up there was reported to us. Dr. James Barth... 97 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,000 What did he report that he was there? He almost sighted more and more. 98 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:43,000 He reported an object moving at tremendous speed, under touching control, making maneuvers faster and tighter than anything. 99 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:48,000 This is weird, and I would like to continue, Dr. 100 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:53,000 You are running around such a case by the time you are finished, I never know where I went as a go. 101 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,000 You can go through it very well. 102 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,000 In any case, in any case... 103 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,000 I am not going to get in here easily, right? 104 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Come on, I am the leader, Rodney. 105 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 I am the leader, gang. 106 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,000 The time it says, and we only have a minute left. 107 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,000 I know, I was trying to get help from the SOA. 108 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:17,000 I just want to ask you a couple of questions. Number one, you have a visit, non-profit organization, is that right? 109 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:22,000 Washington DC, and we have thousands of unfortunate people, very harsh, 110 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000 but I just want to see the joint organizations. 111 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 I know, I got it. 112 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:33,000 I think that, well, we run in the right class, and I have also made a keynote. 113 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,000 You were a good part of your living by writing books and talking about how I am saucer. 114 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,000 I lost money on this. You know that I have written a book. 115 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,000 I wish I got your feedback, this true story magazine. 116 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,000 I am going to plug it, but I sure wish I got your feedback. 117 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Well, I was a little late designing, Dr. 118 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000 15 years ago, and you said nothing. 119 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,000 I mean, two articles and 15 more for that. 120 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,000 What did you say, Colonel? 121 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 I think the doctor is getting a little off the subject in the time frame. 122 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Yeah, I know. 123 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000 That's about how people get paid for working to... 124 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:17,000 Oh, yes, but I'm trying to point out, if you get paid to this, 125 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,000 can you view it as objectively as someone who has completed their course? 126 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 This is a question which I have. 127 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 I, of course, it's only a minor thing. 128 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,000 I have a Bachelor of Science degree, which doesn't pass you the course, 129 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,000 but I regret myself as a very careful reporter. 130 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,000 I have examined and interrogated over 400 pilots, 131 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,000 4 pilots and American pilots. 132 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,000 We have signed reports on almost 1,000 of them, 133 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 and they include reports by astronomers. 134 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,000 And I would challenge you to combat our organization sometime. 135 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,000 We will show you these records, and if you can explain them to us by tweet 136 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:57,000 in the Air Force camp, Wayne will disband our organization. 137 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,000 We have one more minute for a comment on this. 138 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,000 A few seconds. 139 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Okay, you know first of all, some of us sit here and say, 140 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,000 we can prove everything. 141 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,000 There's a say that there's no more necessity for research. 142 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Now there are a aerial phenomenon taking place, 143 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:20,000 of which we have no knowledge simply because we have not yet discovered 144 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,000 what the basic laws, the natural laws into which these operate. 145 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,000 And so there could be many of these things which have been cited 146 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:33,000 by intelligent people, people of integrity, and this is right, 147 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:37,000 except for one thing, and that is, it is still the operation of a natural law, 148 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,000 perhaps a natural law which we do not understand at the moment. 149 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Dr. Dizio over here, I've written a lot of children's credit from him, the CIA. 150 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,000 He was a chairman of our board, he was on our board for five years. 151 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,000 He issued a statement that these things were real, 152 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,000 they were under intelligent control, in the dangerous situation, 153 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,000 because several times, there had been the grandma's and the strategic care command 154 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 when these things were mistaken for Soviet attack, 155 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000 and they were out of the back of the US Air Force. 156 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Our Air Force is to run after something, could be a dangerous, 157 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,000 especially if these things have been picked up on radar repeatedly. 158 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 Well, let me have a little shake, because you're in the same time. 159 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,000 Before we attribute all sorts of things to the Air Force, 160 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 let me conclude, we're out of time, we're down, 161 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:26,000 I want to thank you, General, for all I conclude by just with contact with the Air Force. 162 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:34,000 And this is from Major Mastin Jackson, who is the Pentagon, U.F.O. Project Officer. 163 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:39,000 The Air Force has responsibility for the air defense of the United States 164 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 and is also interested in aerial phenomena. 165 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:52,000 In 16 years of tracking down reports, 9,000 of them, not one, repeat, not one, 166 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,000 has ever turned out to be a threat to American security 167 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:03,000 for an example of advanced technology no more of inter-finitary or expert to rescue origin. 168 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000 I just want to throw that in. 169 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Not for any offense, I wrote it in any way. 170 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,000 An official policy was to be carried out that we have a lot of modern, 171 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,000 former molecules in our projects and we can set it up for years, 172 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,000 the Air Force has been having things from there where I love it. 173 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,000 In any case, it was interesting, right? 174 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,000 Right? 175 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,000 Right!